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Origins of the LGF melt-down
last updated... Wednesday, the 18th of February, 2009 at 12:00:09 AM | 1234936809 | 2009-02-18 00:00:09 | edit 

Those of you who follow the blog "Little Green Footballs" are aware that beginning in late 2007, something significant changed. Charles Johnson, owner and operator, began attacking the Vlaams Belang, Pamela Gellar, Baron Bodissey, Dymphna, Paul Belien, Fjordman, myself and other leaders of the anti-Jihad movement. Since then he has thrown numerous others under the bus.

I recognized the change early on. I also recognized the beginning of the anti-Christian stance he has since taken. In the interest of documenting the meltdown (although Atlas and Gates of Vienna have done an awesome job with the facts of the discussion), I am posting this email exchange I had with CJ. Note that it is in reverse chronological order. The exchange took place on October 27, 2007. Emphasis added for clarity.

Shortly after this he banned me from his blog, after claiming that I wanted Filip Dewinter to be our president.

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Charles,

Thank you for your reply.

Thank you for reinstating june_july. Issue closed.

I'll consider the "fight with a friend" issue closed as well.

By "intellectual disintegrity," I do not in any way mean to impugn your morals, honesty, intentions, or personal integrity. I simply perceive an inconsistency in your positions.

You consider Dobson to be taking a "self-defeating absolutist stand." I think that you may be doing the same with the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats. Think about it.

And to be clear. I want no part of Jew hatred, death camps, racial supremacy, or the like. But I have read both sides, and I just don't see the VB as Nazis. I still need more info on the Sweden Democrats.

They're talking about you on the European blogs. You've become a big name, and now your words carry more weight than you might intend or realize. Use them wisely. Howard Dean imploded because he failed to transition from agitator to statesman. Don't miss the fact that you have moved from popular blogmaster to international thought leader.



Jeff





--On Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:04 PM -0700 Charles Johnson wrote with great eloquence:
> I am not pro-abortion; I'm against making self-defeating absolutist
> stands, and I feel that's what Dobson is doing.
>
>
> The poster "june_july" is not banned; she was reinstated, after sending
> an email about it.
>
>
> And I did not "fight with a friend. I posted a public reply to a very
> public attack.
>
>
> If you feel that I'm lacking integrity, that's your right. I don't agree.
> And those who are willing to accept parties with neo-Nazi pasts into the
> anti-Islamization movement have lost my support.
>
>
>
>
>  CJ
>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2007, at 11:51 AM, jwbaumann(shift-2)linkedresources(dot)com wrote:
>
>
> Charles,
>
>
> As promised, a response. My brainwaves have distilled.
>
>
> First, I am sending this as a friend and ally. Please take it in that
> vein.
>
>
> Second, when I used the phrase "more emotional than rational," I was
> referring to the fracas as a whole, not to you specifically. I also
> meant that the relative ratio of emotionality to rationality was higher
> than I have seen previously, not that the absolute level of emotion
> exceeded the level of rationality. I apologize if my terse words
> obscured those subtleties.
>
>
> Second and a half, the "fracas as a whole" includes you, Pamela,
> Brussels Journal, SIOE, VB, Sweden Democrats, other bloggers and
> anti-Jihadists, lizards, and others I will discuss below.
>
>
> Third, I now realize that my reaction went well beyond the
> Charles<-->Pamela dispute and actually goes back a few weeks. This
> incident was simply the flash point for my sense that something was
> wrong, that something had changed that didn't feel right.
>
>
> Here are a few things I noticed:
>
>
> 1) You publicly fought with a friend. You never do that.
>
>
> 2) You cited Wikipedia as a source. I have never seen you do that
> either.
>
>
> 3) You banned someone who I thought had been rational and reasonable. I
> have not seen you do that before. Lizard june-july never suggested you
> encouraged racism, hate speech, or white supremacists. He simply stated
> that some lizards appeared to have those sentiments, and he also
> supported weeding them out. I was waiting for him to back up those
> claims, or to apologize. He never got the chance. Again, I recognize
> that this is your blog. I had just never witnessed you react in that
> way before.
>
>
> But let's back up a bit.
>
>
> The first time I had the sense that something had changed at LGF was in
> the Dobson posting on October 8.
>
>
The Dobson Open Thread
>
>
> Your words were "I could not possibly disagree more with his position
> on Rudy Giuliani." The lizard army then proceeded to display what I
> perceived as a dramatic and significant schism between those who
> support life and desire to eliminate abortion on the one hand, and
> those who would have the first group set aside their deeply held
> convictions in order to defeat Hillary. The latter group appeared to
> hold sway, in agreement with you. I had not previously detected such a
> split in the lizard army, and you did nothing to quell it (not that you
> had any obligation to).
>
>
> So for the first time I found myself on the minority side on a
> significant LGF issue. Now, as I am sure you are aware, there are
> decent and rational people who consider abortion to be the moral
> equivalent of the holocaust. I would consider myself among them. Yet to
> defeat Hillary, you would ask that group to dispense with that core
> belief.
>
>
> James Dobson had made a pledge to never support a presidential
> candidate who did not support life. If he were to go back on that
> pledge, he would not only lose all credibility with the pro-life side,
> his "flip-flop" would also be mercilessly attacked by the left. I
> cannot, in good conscious, trade his personal integrity for a possible
> Hillary defeat, nor can I feel easily bonded to those who would
> advocate such a Faustian bargain.
>
>
> Yet it seems you would. Or maybe you simply had not considered the
> issue in that way.
>
>
> So I find myself seriously asking for the first time how closely my
> world view really matches that of you and the lizard army.
>
>
> That was Exhibit One. Let's move on to Exhibit Two, which provides a
> relevant backstory.
>
>
> I have been reading Brussels Journal for more than two years now. I
> have found Paul Belien to be profoundly rational, and have never found
> in his writings anything Naziesque. He appears to side with the VB,
> which won a plurality in the June 10 Belgian elections. Sounds pretty
> mainstream to me.
>
>
> Enter the SIOE demonstration scheduled for September 11 in Brussels.
> I'm sure you're familiar with that whole story. Shortly after the date,
> and after VB members had been beaten and arrested by armed agents of the
> Belgian state, SIOE briefly went on the attack against VB. Here's one
> link:
>
>
> http://sioe.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/vlaams-belang-broke-the-agreement/
>
>
> So for the second time I find myself asking "why are my friends and
> allies fighting amongst themselves?"
>
>
> Exhibit III. Enter Pamela Gellar and Counterjihad Brussels 2007. If I
> can distill the disagreement, you want nothing to do with Nazis,
> neo-Nazis, or anyone supporting said groups. Pamela believes we can
> work with them, and besides, she doesn't believe they're really Nazis.
>
>
> The rhetoric on both sides heated up surprisingly quickly, and yet
> again I find myself asking, "why are my friends fighting?" And also
> asking, "why am I on a different side than Charles in the two disputes
> in which he is involved?"
>
>
> You, Charles, would have us side with the pro-abortion crowd, yet
> reject an alleged Nazi group as a political partner. I see this as a
> form of intellectual disintegrity, which is simply another word for
> irrationality.
>
>
> If I am to vote for a pro-choice candidate for president in order to
> further other aims, I would politely request that you be more open to
> communicating with, and perhaps working with or even accepting, groups
> that make "the hackles rise on the back of [your] neck," because that
> is how I, and many others, feel about abortion.
>
>
> I still haven't come to a solid opinion regarding VB and the Sweden
> Democrats, but my own personal history has shown that I can be swayed
> from polar opposite positions by evidence, logic, persuasion and
> introspection, abortion being one such case. If I can be transformed
> from a raging pro-abortion zealot to a solid pro-lifer, I have to
> believe that even avowed Nazis can change their hearts and minds as
> well.
>
>
> I would like to post this on my own blog. However, since I indicated
> that I wanted to communicate privately to avoid any public spectacle,
> out of respect for you, I will delay doing so until I get your
> agreement. If I have not heard back by November 3, I will assume such
> agreement has been tacitly granted.
>
>
> And I thank you for your time.
>
>
> Un-Islamicaly yours,
>
>
> Jefrey W Baumann
> jwbaumann(shift-2)linkedresources(dot)com
>
>
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